Update: Some Interesting quotes from Professor Richard Moon that may bode ill for Macleans/Steyn.
Hmmm a face saving exercise? Hoping to stave off the inevitable? Or is it simply an attempt to do an end run around the proposed review by the Justice Committee? ... The Flea notes:
"I am told foxes are extremely vigilant when asked to watch henhouses."
Canadian Human Rights Commission Launches Independent Review On Hate Messaging on the Internet
(Ottawa, June 17, 2008) – The Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) has launched a comprehensive policy review of how best to address hate messages on the Internet. Leading constitutional law expert Professor Richard Moon of the University of Windsor will conduct an independent study as an important part of this review.
Speaking today to the Canadian Association of Statutory Human Rights Agencies (CASHRA), CHRC Chief Commissioner Jennifer Lynch, Q.C. said, "The current debate on how to balance freedom of expression with the need to protect Canadians from hate messages in the Internet age is an important one. We are confident that this review will provide insight into the issues and move the discourse one step further."
Growing public interest and continued advances in technology all point to a need to examine issues surrounding hate on the Internet. The Commission is dedicated to ensuring that the Canadian Human Rights Act remains effective. "Legislation must evolve – when necessary – to respond and reflect changes in society," said Lynch.
Professor Moon is a prominent expert on freedom of expression, freedom of conscience and religion, and the structural aspects of constitutional rights protection. He is the author of the seminal book, "The Constitutional Protection of Freedom of Expression".
He will conduct legal and policy research and analysis and make recommendations on the most appropriate mechanisms for addressing hate messages on the Internet, with specific emphasis on section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act and the role of the CHRC. His work will include a review of existing statutory and regulatory mechanisms, an examination of the mandates of human rights commissions and tribunals, and a consideration of Canada’s international human rights obligations.
The review is to begin immediately and Professor Moon is expected to submit his report to the Commission this fall.
Scope of Review to be conducted by Richard Moon
Independent Study
Professor Moon will conduct legal and policy research and analysis and make recommendations on the most appropriate mechanisms for addressing hate messages (and more particularly those on the Internet), with specific emphasis on section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act and the role of the Commission.
In conducting his study, Professor Moon will take into consideration:
existing statutory and regulatory mechanisms – whether they are appropriate and/or whether they require change;
the mandates of human rights commissions and tribunals, as well as other government institutions presently engaged in addressing hate messages on the Internet;
whether other governmental or non-governmental organizations might have a role to play and if so, what that role might be;
Canadian human rights principles, including but not limited to, those contained in the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms;
mechanisms used in other countries; and, Canada’s international human rights obligations.
From reading the above I get the distinct impression we should expect nothing more than a bureaucratic whitewash by a trusted fellow traveller. The key question for Professor Moon should be: How the hell do we get the Canadian Human Rights Commission out of the Thought Crime Business?
Or???
Unity and social solidarity only exist, in any real sense, when individuals are free to make judgments and direct their lives. If communication were suppressed the result would be a population which was inhibited in its ability to reflect upon important questions of value and a society which was closed and rigid rather than free and democratic' (Moon, 1985: 356-357).
Or?? Oh Oh!
Contact Richard Moon: rmoon@uwindsor.ca
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Richard Moon Biography:
Biography
Richard Moon teaches both private and public law courses. His research focuses on freedom of expression, freedom of conscience and religion, and the structural aspects of constitutional rights protection. His current research project “The Secularization of Religious Freedom” is funded by a general grant from the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada. He has contributed three chapters to the leading constitutional law casebook in Canada, Canadian Constitutional Law, published by Emond Montgomery. In 1994 he was awarded the first University of Windsor Humanities Research Fellowship. He served as Editor-in-Chief of the Windsor Yearbook of Access to Justice from 1996 to 1999. From 2003 to 2005 he was the President of the Canadian Law and Society Association.
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Online preview of Richard Moon's Book: The Constitutional Protection of Freedom of Expression
More on this later...
Professor Richard Moon received a grant of $17,000 over the next three years to support his writing a book, tentatively entitled “The Secularization of Religious Freedom”, which examines the Canadian courts’ approach to freedom of religion and conscience. As the title suggests, the book will consider the shift from a religious to a secular justification for religious freedom.
Professor Moon notes: “ In itself, this shift to a secular justification of religious freedom might not seem so remarkable. However, the secularization of religious freedom has brought another, more significant, if less obvious, shift in the modern justification of religious freedom. While the formal defence of religious freedom in modern liberal democracies, such as Canada, emphasizes the value of individual autonomy or choice, and so can be seen as linked to earlier defences of religious tolerance that regarded individual conscience as a divinely-endowed capacity to realize spiritual truth, the modern protection of religious freedom seems to rest also, or instead, on the idea that religion is a matter of cultural identity. Religious belief is not simply a choice the individual makes. It is a part of who she or he is. It is a deeply rooted part of her or his identity or character and should be treated with equal respect.”
Uncertainty about the nature of religious commitment is manifested in a series of closely related issues or tensions in the Canadian religious freedom cases. In their application of section 2(a) of the Charter, the Canadian courts remain unclear (a) whether freedom of religion/conscience protects non-religious belief systems in the same way that it protects religious or spiritual beliefs and practices or whether there is something different about religious beliefs that requires their special protection or treatment? (b) whether freedom of religion/conscience prohibits state coercion in matters of spiritual and moral belief or whether it goes farther and requires the equal or even-handed treatment by the state of different (religious) belief systems? (c) whether religious beliefs or religiously-grounded values have a place in public debate and decision-making or whether they should be treated as private and excluded from the public sphere? and (d) whether the secular, understood as non-religious, is neutral and above religious controversy or whether it is a partisan, non- (or even anti-) religious perspective?
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Richard Moon supports gay marriage.
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Richard Moon Publications & Cases
Tuesday, June 17, 2008
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I am told foxes are extremely vigilant when asked to watch henhouses.
Hmmmm good one;)
Hmmmm impressive credentials on this inquisitor...I wonder if he has the intellectual capacity to differentiate between criminal messaging and political/ideological dissent or common vulgarity?
In the narrow optics of an ideologue any dissent to their ideologies is "hate speech".
I wish the CHRC luck in defining their mission but I remind them it is already defined by the parameters in Taylor and 99% of what is posted on the internet does not fit that definition of "hatred"...it is dissenting opinion and much is vulgar but it is NOT "hate" as defined in Taylor.
Do I smell another make work project for HRC sycophants here? Redefining the witch hunt on the public dime?
As Shaidle sez, anyone promoting the need for state interbentionism in Canadian free expression rights is an insult..this is NOT an unstable culturally volitile backwater where tribal/ethnic warring is a fact of life...to presume any substantive racist movement could even approach credibility in this society is intellectual dishonesty.
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Good points WLMR.
"We are confident that this review will provide insight into the issues and move the discourse one step further."
So, which way will this go, to freedom?, then no review is necessary, so I can guess what the result will be.
Ouch Sounder, but yea I think you rae correct.
It's not gonna be good.
Deconstruct this part:
"Religious belief is not simply a choice the individual makes. It is a part of who she or he is. It is a deeply rooted part of her or his identity or character and should be treated with equal respect."
therefore, what right has the state to punish a father who disciplines his daughter when she refuses to wear the traditional religious garb, e.g. the burqua?
how best to address hate messages on the Internet
Kinda like, say, not having your employees POST hate messages on the Internet? Something like that maybe.
As I've said before, this reminds me of the time an Indian government wanted to get rid of cobras, so it put a bounty on them.
Of course, some enterprising folks somehow got the idea that if they BRED the snakes themselves, more moolah.
I can't see much of problem with THAT, can you?
"Religious belief is not simply a choice the individual makes. It is a part of who she or he is. It is a deeply rooted part of her or his identity or character and should be treated with equal respect."
Actually, religious belief is in the last analysis simply a choice an individual makes. You can be introduced to the beliefs of your family and society by your parents, but ultimately the individual decides whether he wants to live his life with religion or not. There are limits to what parents can do to their children in the name of religion and culture in Canadian society. For instance, the state intervenes in cases where parents, citing religious reasons, want to deny their children blood transfusions or other life saving medical and surgical interventions.
In addition, it is most certainly not acceptable to harm or mistreat your children if they rebel against the mores of your religious culture. I expect you will see increasing numbers of children of second generation and on Muslim immigrants integrating into mainstream Canadian society. Many will likely continue to practice Islam, but of a form that comes to terms with modernity.
Uncertainty about the nature of religious commitment is manifested in a series of closely related issues or tensions in the Canadian religious freedom cases. In their application of section 2(a) of the Charter, the Canadian courts remain unclear (a) whether freedom of religion/conscience protects non-religious belief systems in the same way that it protects religious or spiritual beliefs and practices or whether there is something different about religious beliefs that requires their special protection or treatment? (b) whether freedom of religion/conscience prohibits state coercion in matters of spiritual and moral belief or whether it goes farther and requires the equal or even-handed treatment by the state of different (religious) belief systems?
-this strikes me as a dangerous, even vile, piece of sophistry: by the subtle introduction of the word "system", it is an attempt to make a case for group rights, at the expense of individual rights, to further institutionalize a multicult apartheid system in Canada.
-Surely the Charter can only be understood in the context of a culture that has some kind of pragmatic separation of "religion" and "politics": that's what "religion" means in Canadian law, whatever the many possible uses of the word "religion" and "secular" more generally. Thus one has individual freedom of conscience and association, but religious groups do not have political rights in Canada. This is not so much a Charter question but a fact of our history institutionalized since the early days of English Canada.
This man is trying to make a claim for group resentment as a constitutional question, because that's how you get government grants in today's Canada. Resentment in the name of the free individual is so passe in academe.
Fire. THem. All.
Yes Trupeers from what I have read to date this guy is anything but "Independent", this will be a whitewash from a like-minded grievance monger.
"Religious belief is not simply a choice the individual makes. It is a part of who she or he is. It is a deeply rooted part of her or his identity or character and should be treated with equal respect."
Talk about mult-culti steel-wool forced over the eyes and ears of the populace!
Religious belief is "part of who she or he is"?
What sort of religious approval-of-evil is that?
Whose Creed says that?
In fact, the Christian religious ideal is diametrically opposed to that religious, polytheistic notion. What does John 3:16 say? (that's in the Bible)
Must we return to the days of Abraham and Moses all over again? Don't university "studies" take into account the history from thousands of years? Are they that thirsty for flowing, red blood?
And we think we're having a hard time of it now...
Later, it'll be much worse in the "cold".
"Just the worst time of the year
for the journey, and such a long journey: The ways deep and the weather sharp, the very dead of winter."
Balms and bombs -- equal respect, remember?
An unclear-winter lies ahead folks -- as sure as con-fusion of the critical masses.
(Fire. Them. All. It will never be enough, even if they could or would. Trudeaupianism is lethal -- has it reached the critical-mass of the masses?)
Thank God for single-malts, and America Alone!
Mr. America ought to be doing some homework.
What are we to say to Richard Moon that might move him to recommend deleting section 13?
What good does he think restrictions on expression can achieve? Is he right that restrictions can bring these goods? Why can't these goods be attained in other ways? What costs does he think would be too dear to pay should one attempt to attain these goods by restricting expression?
The difficulty is not to praise the Athenians at Athens but at Sparta. (So Aristotle tells us Socrates said.)
I thought the commission had NO authority over the Internet. What are they doing, addressing hate speech on the Internet in the first place? It's outside of their mandate.
"CHRC Chief Commissioner Jennifer Lynch"
Why, imagine that. She's leading her very own Lynch mob.
"How best to address hate messages on the internet."
If Mr. Moon had an ounce of respect for Canada's liberal democracy and himself as a professional lawyer, he would save his country its money and his valuable time by answering this question for Mrs. Lynch quickly this way:
"The best way is to let free public debate on the internet address it. It cannot be done by legislation thru government appointed bureaucrats, without destroying the very democracy you are seeking to perfect."
And if he were really cool, he would add:
"Trying to address hate messages on the internet is how you've got your sorry asses in the shape they're in, now requiring mine, and costing your fellow citizens more of their hard earned tax dollars to tell you what you've already learned."
Btw. My comment above was inspired by Lady Kathy Shaidle and her link: "But I don't WANT to be protected from "hate messages" on the internet."
Thanks JR! I will pass that along to the short furious one;)
Someone should bring Professor Moon and "Lynch 'Em All!" Lynch that Canada does not enjoy freedom of religion. Indeed, Christian theology has already been declared "hatespeech" by the Commissar Upchuck Andreachuk of the Alberta Human Right Tribunal and her minion/Familiar - "Smallest D*ck&B*lls in the West" aka Ed Stelmach (or Howdy Doody, depending upon the light conditions).
Silly bureaucrats! Don't they know anything?
Have you noticed how the Canadian MUSLIM community has STILL not caught onto the subliminal imagery in Canada's flag - how the two border stripes REALLY represent the "parting of the Red Sea" by Moses when he led his people out of captivity... I wonder when a "representative of the Muslim community" is going to file a complaint because this obvious visual parallel is offensive to Muslims.
Just wondering aloud...
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