Meet one of the agitators against Ann Coulter
Meet Anewsocialcontract Anew' was one of the professional "protestors" who disrupted last nights Ann Coulter event at Jew Baiter U, Anew' was kind enough to photograph the events as they unfolded.
Hi ya.
I'm 30 years old, and living in Ottawa, Canada. I'm shooting now-a-days with a Nikon D90, before it was a Canon PowerShot S3.
I'll be adding more photos here when I can, please feel free to leave a comment. Also just feel free in general.
Love Always,
John D
Oh my John D is also - an "anti-authoritarian dadad" who lists his occupation as "full time student" and who may be raising his child a "vegan" which I suspect should be declared abusive if it isn't already. I wonder if Anew' is a student at the U of Ottawa?
Probably.
The captions reference to "capitalists" speaks volumes about John D's world view
Good digging, kittyfur! Of course, it's no surprise that our progressive citizenry longs to see the world in a cartoon form somewhere between Oliver Stone's Wall Street sequel and a vintage Monopoly game; so much more comforting. "Won't tolerate their intolerance." Very clever. Have they thought that all the way through, though? Of course not.
30 years old and he's running around like some idiot teenager tsk tsk.
Bezinga! Fur you are a true 'net digger. Looking forward to seeing Ann in Calgary.
If the Flickr page goes dark, as it might now that it's been exposed, I have screen shots.
I suggest others consider this also.
Good work Terrence, I have some and most of the photo's, a big thanks goes out to reader Sanwin for the tip.
Anewsocialcontract here,
Thanks for all the free publicity, my flickr page has surged in popularity!
By the way, what is "JewBaiterU"?
Also in the descriptor of your blog you said this at the end:
"Freedom of speech and expression, freedom to practice religion as we choose, are guaranteed by our constitution."
I think your star spangled banner humping tendencies are blinding you to the fact that in Canada we have a "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" and not a constitution.
If you do more reading up about this "Canada" country, you'll discover that there are limitations to free speech rights that serve to protect the common good. IE: you can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre, and you can't incite hatred. Better luck in Alabama ;)
You right wing teens make mocking you unchallenging and boring :(
Thanks for the giggles though!
A few more points. I'll update my flickr bio now (thanks for the reminder) but here ya go:
- I'm not just an "anti-authoritarian". I'm a full fledged anarchist (what's a professional protester btw? I can get paid for this?!?)
- I'm always a student (learning things), but now I'm a high school social(ist) studies teacher (woot!)
Everyday I inspire tomorrow's minds with visions of social justice.
TTFN!
The irony is that one of the very same anti free speech brigade did actually yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, at least triggering the fire alarm achieved the same purpose.
But someone did yell fire in a crowded theatre Anew - the fire alarmm was set off. Was it you or one of your friends?
You say you are full fledged anarchist Anew. How then can you support anti free speech laws? Have you cut up your OHIP card as well?
You're quite the radical poseur Anew, somehow I'm not at all surprised you're a highschool teacher.
"Freedom of speech and expression, freedom to practice religion as we choose, are guaranteed by our constitution."
- I think your star spangled banner humping tendencies are blinding you to the fact that in Canada we have a "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" and not a constitution.
If you do more reading up about this "Canada" country, you'll discover that there are limitations to free speech rights that serve to protect the common good. IE: you can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre, and you can't incite hatred. Better luck in Alabama ;)
You right wing teens make mocking you unchallenging and boring :(
-Well, if you are going to reveal your silly ignorance to the world, so be it. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is but the latest addition to our Constitution, something that is rooted in centuries of Common Law, and the occasional written act going back at least a thousand years. A constitution is not, in the first place a written document; it is a covenant, or shared understanding of what is sacred - and the shared imperatives that derive from the sacred - an understanding that flows from a shared history and revelatory events. (And, btw, covenants, by their very nature rely on individual freedom in order to emerge and be ratified by others).
The Charter of Rights and Freedoms only allows limits on free speech that are consistent with the needs of a "free and democratic society". If you read what Supreme COurt judges have said about free speech rights, both before and after the Charter, it is clear that they see free speech, within only narrowly defined limits, to be a fundamental apsect of Canadian society. The same would be said for acts of Parliament. But then, there are people in Canada who take thinking to be more than self-righteous anti-American posing.
As for the USA, it too recognizes limits to free speech, again narrowly defined by legal rulings.
Yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre is necessary when there is a fire. All freedoms emerge from necessity, which is not the same thing as poseurs blabbing on about "social justice" without, it seems, showing any ability to rigorously explain what this could be.
If you are really a social studies teacher, I feel rather sad for your students. THough I had one jerk for a social studies teacher who was too lazy to think and "teach" so he let us play Risk for days on end and take field trips to Chinese Restaurants for the "cultural experience" (hardly a rare thing in Vancouver) and I still grew up to know something... High school teachers are in the first place baby sitters, sad to say. Real learning only begins with the freedom, in the face of hard realities, that comes after school. It is not so shocking to me that now that universities have also become baby sitters, in the womanly and anti-intellectual name of the "safe classroom", that they are no longer so open to understanding the necessity of freedom. And teachers's colleges are the worst place in the universities when it comes to PC indoctrination. Shows...
No one yelled "fire" idjits.
Pulling a fire alarm was a tactic. I don't know who did it. Maybe it was one of Coulter's brown shirts, they were so afraid of opposition that they were the ones who cancelled the event after all. They're weren't accustomed to people rolling over for her bullshit.
The French Resistance had their tactics, MLK had his tactics, the black panthers had their tactics, Mandela had his tactics, PLO and the IRA had their tactics.. People have different approaches to shutting down hatred.
Do you right-wing nuts think Ernst Zundle should be allowed to speak in academic institutions?
How about you answer that question, as well as the other ones I posted, or are you as terrified as your Rush Limbah in a mini-skirt to have an informed debate?
Maybe you're all more comfortable with the FOX "news" screaming lies match format?
So jeopardizing lives by triggering a false alarm is just a "tactic". I think you are in fact in high school anew but not as a teacher.
Anew if you don't believe in freedom of speech for those whose views you find offensive then you don't believe in free speech at all. As for your hiding behind the skirts of "anti-discrimination" answer me this - Did you protest against Israeli Apartheid Week Anew or were you in fact a willing participant?
A false fire alarm doesn't jeopardize lives, that what fire does. That's why people have fire drills for safety reasons. I'm not saying that's what Coulter's brown shirts were thinking, but maybe...
Blazing Cat, you still haven't answered my questions like what does "Jew Baiter U" mean?
Yes I was a willing participant in Israeli Apartheid Week along with University students and academics across the campus, across the country and in face, across the world.
Did you support South African apartheid, or just Israeli apartheid? And if so, do you support Israeli war crimes and violations of international law and the geneva conventions as well?
Blazing Cat Fur, do you find "Jew Jokes" funny?
Or just jokes like Ann Coulters that come at the expense of people of Arabic descent?
If so, why is one funny over the other? Is it plain old white supremacy or something more veiled?
Do you self-identify as a white supremacist? Honestly, I'd like to know.
JD I understand you are a highschool teacher so I will type real slow. When a fire alarm is triggered in my Condo even a "false" one initiated by mechanical failure the Fire Department is obligated to respond. What that means is that Fire Dept. Staff and equipment are tied up dealing with a false alarm when in fact a real emergency that genuinely threatens human life may be left unattended. Now do you understand why triggering a false alarm is a "hateful" act.
Jew-Baiter U - read the link to the B'nai Brith press release JD, I bet even a highschool student could put 2 and 2 together, even someone who is an ardent supporter of IAW such as yourself.
I did not support apartheid in South Africa, I don't support Israeli Apartheid because there is no such thing. I do have a reading recommendation for you. Follow the link to Terry Glavin's blog, Terry is an honourable man of the "left" with hardcore lefty bona fides you may find impressive, The article is "The Sordid History Of The "Israeli Apartheid Canard"I highly recommend it - to you.
As for the rest of your twaddle well come back after you've read the article I've recommended. We'll see if you have an argument then.
Later Schoolboy.
Riiiiiiight. So Desmond Tutu, and Nelson Mandela have characterised the illegal occupation as aparthied, and it follows the dictionary definition of aparthied....
...but it's not aparthied because some pencil necked white supremacist like you says so. LOL
You didn't answer anything I said about
- Israli war crimes or anything
- Jewish Jokes
- White Supremacy
- Ernst Zundle
or anything else in the other posts, proving that you, like Ann Coulter are terrified of intelligent debate.
I'm terrified of wasting anymore time in the intellect sapping recesses of your self-gratifying blog.
Go to cbc.ca/news and look up the articles, any article on Ann Coulter, and you'll see you're a very marginalized and very scared little white boy. You're cowering from a world of social change, a world clamoring for justice that threatens the white male privilage you've been supported by.
If you want to shy away from debate but have a political blog with some real merit, try something like this one:
http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com/?zx=1f068f86e7c8244e
Until then, piss off.
Flounced off already JD? Goodness but you anarchist high students are easily offended.
Wow. JD is or will actually be teaching high school students? Better save this thread, BCL.
I know this is an unfair generalization, but teachers and teachers-in-training tend to be some of the stupidest, most willfully ignorant moral infants I've ever encountered.
University profs get a bad rap, and to some extent they deserve it, but profs also focus and specialize their knowledge in a way a high school teacher can never match. Though, of course, I might be biased, but still...
It is no wonder the LSAT performance of education majors is so abominable. As I remember, their scores are somewhere around those achieved by sociology students. Right at the bottom of the barrel.
Philosophers and economists do the best on the LSAT, as I recall, or nearly so. :)
To be honest, when I encounter education majors these days, my first thought is that they're either too stupid for a real graduate program...
... or pedophiles.
That's likely a false dichotomy.
"Instant Classic" as they say;)
BCF,
Might also get me into trouble. And sorry I called you "BCL" earlier. :-)
Also, I apologize for letting my snobbery dribble over into your fine establishment. It's this Trois Pistoles beer I'm drinking, I swear it!
Never a problem;)
Christ, I wish I'd stopped by earlier.
What JD doesn't understand is that after he fills the heads of his students with unprincipled nonsense about "social justice" -- code here for left-wing politics, though it has an older, more respectable definition -- it falls to people like me to clean up the mess.
And we do; for example, no matter what class I'm teaching, I try to ensure my students understand concepts from economics like opportunity cost, comparative advantage, and so on.
All of this is to undo the damage people like JD do, the intellectual nihilism such paycheque collecting bottom-feeders force on their students in high school and even earlier.
I'm just amazed that an alleged adult, if indeed JD is one and I have my suspicions to the contrary, can actually believe the drivel he spouts. It's such childish nonsense that has absolutely no basis in reality.
Oh my goodness! I'd suggest you two go out and get girlfriends (ie. a life) but you seem to have each other.
So much mental masturbation. This was one day for me, but you fools do this ALL DAY, EVERY DAY!
Still nothing about the aforementioned points.
- Aparthied
- War Crimes
- Zundel etc..
Terrence you regurgitate the bolded words in textbooks. Good for you. Your students will learn capitalist and neo-liberal drivel until they realise for themselves the shortcomings of this system.
If capitalism was so great the gap between rich and poor wouldn't be continually growing, the environment wouldn't have been commodified and destroyed, and it wouldn't have needed working class socialism to BAIL IT OUT!
I'm able to cultivte my own ideas, inspired by anarchist intellectuals like Goldman, Tolstoy, Berkman, Chomsky and so forth.
Your students won't need a teacher to undo your damage, because most of them will be clever enough to figure it out on their own.
Any chance any of you will respond to the aforementioned points you've been avoiding?
JD you sound like a very angry, very intense 15 year old.
If socialism is so great why did Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc etc etc have to kill so many millions of members of the working class?
You guys are so unbelievably insecure! Reading back over the comments, it becomes abundently clear that all you do is make personal attacks (on someone in "cyber-space" that you have a "virtual knowledge of").
You and Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reily and Rush Limbah and the rest of the shock jockeys of the tea bagger movement rely on personal attacks because you don't have the knowledge to engage in serious debate.
You've all be robbed of the tools necessary to form ideas and express them effectively. All the resources that would have gone to your education, when to imperialist misadventures instead.
And you line up to defend your oppression like pigs at a trough!
JD take heart we're laughing at you not with you.
BCF you STILL haven't responded to the aforementioned points/questions.
I'm unfamiliar with your FOX news format by the way. You said I sounded like a 15 year old. Am I supposed to say you sound like an 8 year old, or a super pedophile, or a stupid face now?
American Presidents don't kill people? War is the only think that has ever kept capitalism alive! What would america be without the military industrial complex?
Hitler was a fascist. He killed socialists and usurped the name socialism just like he bastardised the swastica. That's because the right wing doesn't have any orginal ideas.
Regardless I'm not a state socialist, I'm a libertarian socialist. I subscribe to the political ideology known as anarchism. I know, you think anarchy is chaos right? Actually anarchism has a rich intellectual and social history, but I'm not sure if you can absorb that sort of information.
JD,
You have no idea what my political view actually is (hint: it's not BCF's view.) For that reason, just about everything you said isn't applicable to me.
Worse than that, your frequent use of ad hominem attacks -- implying that BCF is a white supremacist, for example, or using his "privilege" as an excuse to dismiss his ideas -- leave me with nothing but contempt for you.
That is: I won't condescend to debate you. Come back when you have a real major. I'm used to reading intelligent leftists like G.A. Cohen and John Rawls. You don't measure up, and you never will.
I did have a feeling my posts would bring you back, though. Nice to see I touched a nerve.
Hey, I'll try not to cry myself to sleep.
White Supremacist, closeted, zionist Americans like you laugh so hard you can't hear the entire global community laughing at you. So yuk it up chump!
BCF is a white supremacist because he supports Ann Coulter and Ernst Zundel, both of whom are white supremacists. He cites the same reason "free-speech" that neo-nazis do on stormfront for why they should be able to have their little nazi parades on hitler's birthday.
You're not above debating me. You haven't debated one point I've made. But you ARE commenting on this sad little blog. I'm doing it now because it facinates me, like watching bugs under a microscope, but you chums are up to this ALL THE TIME!
JD,
I should say, I'm not the only one who dismisses people like you. G.A. Cohen, a good Canadian Marxist, apparently had to listen to a student somewhat like you once, in a seminar.
His response, after a long silence, was to say: "I guess the right doesn't have all the stupid ideas after all." I quote from memory, obviously.
You have to understand, we -- and by that I mean the people who publish academic articles, or who have the potential to do so -- have heard all the rants about privilege and white-heteronormative-male-supremacy before. We laugh at you, then get on with formulating rational arguments.
And you deserve that scorn. You really do.
JD,
BCF isn't a white supremacist. In fact, I believe you've just libeled him.
A person isn't a white supremacist because he supports freedom of speech even for white supremacists.
BCF,
I suggest you call your lawyer. This young pup needs a wakeup call. Maybe Ezra would take the case? ;-)
Also, by pursuing a libel action, we might just be able to figure out who the little pup is.
Wouldn't THAT be interesting?
My ideas aren't marxist ideas, they're anarchist ideas. The two social/political ideas are different.
Noam Chomsky subscribes to the social science of anarchism and he's widely regarded as one of the most important intellectuals alive.
You on the other hand...who the hell ARE you? What single point have you made?
"White Supremacist Closeted Zionist Americans" JD you are walking talking caricature!
I'm so glad you stopped by.
You see when we tell people about people like you they say "G'wan you're makin that up, no one could be that intellectualy decrepit!".
Well you've done us a great service young man, thanks for taking one for the Jew-Baiter Team.
I should also mention... it's a heck of a lot easier to prove libel in Canada than it is in the United States.
Just a thought.
Terrence I already sent his IP to the Ottawa PD, a libel action would be guache;)
JD,
I'm not telling you who I am. You just maliciously libeled BCF. Why would I want to reveal my identify to a fuck up like you?
WTF is a JEW-BAITER? I don't get it! I admit, I've never heard the term? Did you coin it yourself, is there a functioning definition somewhere?
If you suport Israel like your blog implies, why not answer the prior charges I've reiterated so many times regarding the violation of international law and the geneva conventions?
How is the illegal occupation not aparthied? Why is it internationally recognized as such? Why is the Israeli state suffering from a crisis of legitimacy? Why do surviviors of South African aparthied describe it as such?
All you've done is make abstract personal attacks. I can see plainly none of you have any points to make! Otherwise you'd have made them.
All you're doing is essentially saying "well your so stupid, I won't even respond" when clearly you can't!
JD,
I know who Noam Chomsky is, you fuck up. In my other capacity as a journalist, a friend and I interviewed him.
I didn't say you were a Marxist; I said you were a leftist, which would include Marxists but doesn't exhaust the category.
And no, I'm not telling you any more than that, because you would likely try to harm my reputation by libeling me, as you just did to poor BCF.
JD,
None of us are arguing with you because:
(a) We don't think very highly of your intellect, and don't feel like wasting the time, and (b) You seem to have a habit of calling your interlocutors white supremacists.
I mean, would you debate under those conditions?
You are a Jew Baiter JD, you cloak your anti-semitism under the guise of anti-zionism. Israel is your obsession, your secular religion of hate. For someone like yourself only the destruction of Israel can bring about paradise on earth.
In your view Israel's flaws are more egregious than those committed by any other nation in the history of the world and likely never to be surpassed.
We see your type all the time JD you are nothing new under the sun, just the latest example of an age old hatred.
LOL @ "In my other capacity as a journalist"
Clearly I couldn't give a flying rat's-ass about your personal information ("who you are") I just meant that if you were a credible journalist, you wouldn't be wasting your time (as I am admittedly) on this marginalised blog.
Debate under those conditions? I thought you two were the beginning and the end of "free speech"?
I pointed out that Ann Coulter was a racist and that you two both seem to support her. Everyone knows Ann Coulter spouts racist ideology. Go tell the Ottawa PD! I'm sure they're just drumming their fingers waiting to bust down my door to keep the blogging peace :) Haha. I did lol again.
And yes Terrence, if you haven't noticed...you have been arguing with me for some time.
Just scroll up.
Yes, JD, but we've been arguing on my terms.
We're not addressing your delusions that support for free speech is equivalent to support for everything that is said by those making use of that right.
That's because there is obviously -- obviously! -- nothing to be said for that proposition.
Btw, when are you going to apologize for libeling BCF?
@ BCF
Oh that's rich! That really is!!
Did you think that whole "you're an anti-semite because you criticize Israli foreign policy" thing still works?
That's so sad. It doesn't.
Lately, but especially since "Operation Cast Lead", world opinion has swung sharply against the Israeli state (not Jews....the Israeli state...get the difference?).
And did you just call me an anti-semite?
*Gasp* Call the constabulary!
Tit for tat!
And no, I'm not obsessed with Israel. Most Israelis are disgusted with the Likud party which is an indiction of some dire need of electoral reform.
As an anarchist (if you're as clever as you like to wax on about) you know I'm ideologically opposed to all forms of social domination.
Israeli war crimes are one of many social ills that the international social justice community (anarchists included) is seeking to address.
We're talking libel, and BCF doesn't need to get the police involved to pursue that action. It's up to him to decide if it's worth it.
Indeed, I attended a libel trial just last week. I'm sure the judge would get a kick out of you explanation of why you called BCF a white supremacist, especially given the other facts about him which you didn't bother to concern yourself with.
Think about it: you could regale the judge with your views on white-hetero-normative-hegemony.
Yeah, good luck with that. It's hard to predict these things, but I wouldn't want to be in your shoes. If, of course, BCF chooses to exercise his rights in this regard.
Does Israel have a right to exist JD? Do you favour a one state solution? Do the Jewish people have a right to self determination?
JD,
Actually, he'd probably have a better fair comment defense than you would.
For one thing, a recent Parliamentary committee has identified a new trend in which anti-semites use criticism of Israel as a cover for their odious views. He could say his claim was based on the findings of that committee.
Do you have anything like that in your back pocket?
JD I was just in Israel. You don't have a clue do you? The real left in Israel, in terms of defense, is more right than Harper. The left in Israel that you "anti-zionists" like to cite is a marginalized idiocracy talking amongst themselves.
Blazing Cat Fur said...
You are a Jew Baiter JD, you cloak your anti-semitism under the guise of anti-zionism. Israel is your obsession, your secular religion of hate. For someone like yourself only the destruction of Israel can bring about paradise on earth.
What does your fantasy judge say to that?
We could go on forever here and it's like yelling into an empty can. No one hears. No one cares. No audience here. None.
CBC.ca/news is corporate media. A large organization by Canadian standards. Everytime Isreal breaks international laws (ie. new settlements in the future Palistinan capital) the comments under the article are 94% in favour of justice and sustainable peace. IE. People have caught on. The gig is up, and people aren't silenced by the slanderous label of anti-semite.
So what is said here means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Your views are extremely marginalized. Extremely.
Speaking of extremists, if you would indulge an honest intellectual curiosity of mine..
.. given your clear positions stated, why do you support Ann Coulter when she says things like "Jews need to be perfected"? Doesn't that make you a self-hating Jew or whatever it's called? I truly don't comprehend that.
Can you help out my feeble liberal mind?
Well, I'm out to smoke a cigarette, and then to do some real work.
Patriation Reference, here I come!
No JD I don't believe I can arrest your enfeeblement. If you base your reality on the comments section of the CBC then you are beyond the capabilities of modern medical science.
@ BCF Fair enough, I've been going on stats from corporate media that say most Israelis oppose the illegal occupation.
Regardless we're not in Isreal, we're in the rest of the world. I'm sure what the growing consensus is here. Once the U$A stops the allowance of the spoiled child who has become quite disobedient of late...
Could you answer that "Jews need to be perfected" thing by Ann and then I promise I'll go for good.
BCF is that to say, you find her statement troubling as well and you can't answer why you still support her?
I really meant to ask this girl (but thought of it too late) at the Ann Coulter fracas. She said she thought it was bs the talk had been cancelled blah blah, and when I pointed out that many people consider her rants to be racist hate speech she said "well I'm a Jew" as that was the end of that conversation (very strange).
She said she had read all of Coulter's books and that there was nothing racist at all in them.
When I asked her about the "flying carpet" and "go ride a camel" remarks Ann had made the day before, this girl said, yeah well those are just jokes.
I asked her if Jewish jokes were funny and acceptable, and she just stormed off, leaving me with the impression she was just a confused hypocrite.
I'm truly open to being corrected if there's something I missed, but I really don't get that "Jews need to be corrected" thing and then how self-identifying Jews can defend her like that.
Is it as simple as the fact she promotes so much Islamaphobia? I hope not. That seems so simple and base and binary.
What is it?
JD I answered that question about 20 or so comments ago, do try to keep up, for your edification I will repeat myself:
"Anew if you don't believe in freedom of speech for those whose views you find offensive then you don't believe in free speech at all"
Oh and by the way, US aid accounts for a very small proportion of Israeli requirements, sorry to pop that bubble too.
JD,
My last comment for the night: you really, really don't get it.
You're asking BCF to justify a statement of Coulter's. But those of us who believe in free speech -- real free speech -- don't have to agree with a person's statements before we will defend his or her right to make them.
Your question literally makes no sense, given that context.
I support the right of adults to marry another willing adult of their own choosing -- same-sex marriage, in other words. Does that mean I'm now obliged to marry someone of the same sex?
Think about it.
Ha! It happened! You both made valid points! Each of you and at the same time! Perfectly sensible and acurate ones at that.
Fellas, it's been rich.
Love always and forever,
Your brother from another mother,
JD
We're still waiting for your contribution JD.
Hahaha.
"Most Israelis are disgusted with the Likud party"
Of course they are. Why else would they have elected them?
@ mrzee
um, snap?
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3865103,00.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050009.html
mrzee meet JD - anarchist high school teacher and revolutionary anti-zionist - He reads Chomsky!
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1114138.html
wow, in the last paragraph of that one, they call it aparthied as well. Hmmm.
Chomsky and the Haaretz, among other parchments.
Yes JD they do, because Israel has a free press and they allow those few remaining marginalized leftists to voice their opinions. Trust me you are trading on faint hope if you assume opinions such as that are regarded with little more than derision by both the right and the "majority left".
I know Haaretz isn't as popular as your blog, but it is Israel's oldest publication.
And wiki says:
Despite its relatively low circulation, Haaretz is considered Israel's most influential daily newspaper.[8][9][10][11][12] Its readership includes Israel's intelligentsia and its political and economic elites.[12][13][14] Surveys show that Haaretz readership has a higher-than-average education, income, and wealth; most are Ashkenazis.[6][15] Shmuel Rosner, the newspaper's former U.S. correspondent, told The Nation, "people who read it are better educated and more sophisticated than most, but the rest of the country doesn't know it exists."[6]
I think it's pretty compelling that Likud popluarity is falling in Israel due to the illegal occupation, and that the term "aparthied" is being used to describe the shituation in popular media.
You guys are self-described journalists. Go figure!
JD Haaretz' pedigree has nothing to do with my point about the left in Israel. While there I met with various journalists both Israeli and Palestinian, the left you dream exists is a tiny rump, but they are allowed as in any democracy to spout nonsense if they wish.
The polls indicate that tiny rump is turning into a big fat ass lately :)
Might one surmise that Ashkenazi Jews favour the anti-illegal occupation views of Haaretz, given their historical experiences with the ghetoization, aparthied and resistance to extermination that Palestinians now experience?
One might. Truly though, it can be said that Israeli opposition to state crimes will grow with international sentiment. We do live in the information age as well. 5 years ago I might have been silenced with your baseless accusations of anti-semitism. Now it's a universially recognized sideshow, and a true attempt at stamping out free-speech in the form of critiques of Israeli foreign policy.
One might surmise alot of things JD, but some things we can know. There is no extermination, the Palestinians are the only refugee community in history that continues to grow, the ghettoization you speak of is the fault of the Palestinian's gangster leadership and the equally corrupt UNWRA, not to mention the lie of the Nakba.
When push comes to shove Israel is united in defense - both left and right. By the way expect Iran to be hit in the next few months or so - and no Arab nation will raise much of a cry about it.
There was no extermination in Germany either, but some folks find the attempts to be highly problematic. The fact that the Palestinian population is exploding in the most crowded refugee ghettos in the world is complete semantics and happens despite Israel's aggression and not because of it.
Everyone knows Isreal's policy towards the UN. They killed a Canadian UN soldier a few years ago, to say nothing of stopping aid shipments, and using illegal chemical weapons (white phosphorus) on UN buildings in the illegal occupation.
Blaming the victim is pretty transparent, but to call an illegal aparthied occupation "defence" is laughable. If I were to use your debating approach, I might label the idea and you by extension "comepletly anti-semetic".
Any aggression towards Iran will do what previous misadventures in Palestine and Lebanon have done. Further degrade the reputation of Israel, exacerbate Israel's crisis of legitimacy and further destabilise the region at Israel's peril.
People, through discourse will learn that Israel not only is a criminal state with a nuclear collection of its own, but is a state that has yet to sign the ABM treaty. Furthering its image as a rouge state in need of intervention.
Very impressive...high school socials teacher can't spell "swastica" and is now on the record stating:
"There was no extermination in Germany either,"
Okay, BCF, how the Hell did you get Jim Keegstra to comment on your blog???
Re: attempted extermination
I was pointing out that just as with Israel, so to with Germany although there were policies that are attempting ethnic cleansing, the results were not/have not (been) complete.
Yes my spelling is atroshious, it's true. :p
And people wonder why we homeschool.
"...Keegstra attempted to have this charge quashed as a violation of his freedom of expression; this motion was denied, and he was convicted at trial"
Huh! So, so interesting given the context.
Once again, I'm being called an anti-semite for criticizing Israeli foriegn policy.
Is there a slanderous label for critiquing say, Italian foreign policy?
C'mon, the "you're anti-semetic because you want Israel to follow international law and the geneva conventions" is soooo 2004.
I'm telling you guys, nobody at all believes that anymore.
John David, when you write "There was no extermination in Germany" you line yourself up with the Keegstras and Zundals of the world.
Which simply underscores the inherent anti-semitism of the anti-Israel left in Canada and in many other places in the world. Not that this is any surprise but it is interesting to see the mask drop do far....
Watch out, I'll sic Harry Abrams on you.
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3865103,00.html
"According to the poll, Likud – currently the coalition leader – would increase its representation in the Knesset to 29 seats, up from 27"
Certainly looks like they're losing support. Maybe when you grow up you can be a headline writer for them.
"And wiki says:
Despite its relatively low circulation, Haaretz is considered Israel's most influential daily newspaper."
Haaretz is a propaganda sheet for the Israeli Labor party, a party on its way to extinction. Their editor has publicly admitted suppressing stories which don't support his political views.
"There was no extermination in Germany either"
The extermination camps were mostly in Poland
"a state that has yet to sign the ABM treaty"
So what, signing an agreement means nothing. You've proven that yourself. The palestinian authority signed the Oslo Accords, explicitly agreeing to Israel's presence in Judea and Samaria. That hasn't stopped you from repeating the lie that they're "illegally occupying" land
"Furthering its image as a rouge state in need of intervention. "
Intervention because you don't like their use of makeup?
"Once again, I'm being called an anti-semite for criticizing Israeli foriegn policy."
You're not criticizing Israeli "foriegn" policy. You're telling lies about Israel's "foriegn" policy and then criticizing your own lies.
Wow the things I miss while asleep.
Yup, BCF....a lefty channeling Jim Keegstra. Who would have thunk it?
Well, actually, anyone who has been paying attention these past few years.
Wow! This has been great fun to read! For the record though, both my kids have had some GREAT high school teachers.
JD: I hope you come back often. This is better than watching "Just for Laughs" on CBC!
JD: I was talking to...this girl...she was...a girl...and I said to...this girl...a girl!...I said to this girl...who I, you know, dominated by my Google "expertise"...I said to this girl...a girl...choose one:
1. "Hi, I am a school teacher who likes arguing with an 18 year old, so is it OK that I have this boner?"
2. "Hi, I am not a school teacher, but pose as one on the internet; I really am a zit-faced angry boy who is picked last during gym because I smell like wet socks and have no athletic ability; I will now take my rage out of you as I rub my Vienna sausage through a hole in my pants pocket."
That's so perfectly mean Rooster - good work.
I've tried my best in the past to get through to site stalker/ranters like JD, but it never works. And so I just take a summary of their comments and make a sweeping guess at what is really going on in their minds. Always with humor.
I do this because this is what I've found with these online ranters like JD who keep coming back: it is impossible to have a logical argument with them because they keep blurring the subject of the argument. They blur fantasy with reality regarding their credentials, they reek of intolerance but throw out inflammatory labels of intolerance like "racist" or "Hitler," etc.
Now lately, they have advanced past their usual "all emotion" approach and yet sadly I have found that they do so with very small baby steps. Those steps being the inevitable "questions" that they pose to another commentator or blog author. That' part of their need to be in control, much like a 2-year old fusses when he craps his pants...they so desperately want to be in control but keep losing it.
Inevitably, the glimmer of hope one has when someone like JD comes on with a clean "onesie" is lost in the true clouded mentality of liberal rant as he keeps soiling his diaper again and again Here, JD mentions his background (turns out it is created) his views (as always, turn out unsupported), attacks your views at first simplistically but thankfully straightforward (but then repetitively demands answers to his "questions" as if this is his site).
In between, he smugly says that this is just some "fun" for him, toying with we the morons, the bugs under the microscope. He doesn't need this site. But he keeps...coming...back...for...more. Because you see, he can't help himself for crapping his pants and wailing about that lack of control.
But sometimes JD types go away when mom tells him to turn off the computer, brush his teeth, watch Bambi, and go to bed in his race car bed (maybe he will dream of a girl).
Rooster that was an excellent summation, you should start a blog!
John David
I would mull this over a might. Brown people murder too. They have people who think their superior as well. The left like you most of all hide this for political leverage. How did the lefts grand plans for Zimbabwe turn out? Briton these days for that matter?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7078730.ece
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