Several commenters point out the problem with Climate Realist's refutation of climate science -- i.e. // It assumes that the earth can be considered to be flat, that the sun shines all day and all night with equal intensity, //
There is no "flat earth" presumption. The solar constant is quadruple the value shown for solar input. The quantity shown in the standard global mean balance calculation you see in the two figures is an average over time and space. & Look up solar radiation in watts per square meter and you find it's about 1369 (wikipedia or several other websites). However as you point out that is only during the day, and only at midday when the sun is overhead... Short story, it's easy enough to show that the average number over the whole earth is 1/4 of 1369 (think of geometry and surface area of a sphere compared to a circle). So you end up with the 342 shown in their figure ETC But good enough to foo the Daily Mail AND ...
We all knew it would come to this. Right now the Turtle that rides space (Hindu) is pissed off with his 4 elephants to hold the World is being short shifted.
// My Dizzy but you do make an effort to be on the wrong side //
I try, but you seem to get there first. It's not clear if your research extended to clicking through to the urquelle of this revelation. Vincent Gray is a dotty climatecrank from down under. A fellow New Zealander comments
// Vincent’s great revelation? That climate scientists think the earth’s flat. He starts with a schematic of the earth’s energy budget, [...], commenting:
"The earth is now thoroughly flattened, as if it had been run over by a cosmic steamroller. [...] It ought to be obvious. The earth does actually rotate. The sun does not shine at night. The temperature is not constant. Every part of the earth has a different energy input from its output."
To add a note from my own research -- Climate Scientists think the Sun is flat too. They only consider radiation from one direction, when every schoolboy knows that the sun radiates in all directions. Someone ought to tell Vincent Gray.
I ddn't know that !! You have to acknowledge the work Vincent Gray has been doing, poring over pre-publication FAQs on AR4 and such. At age 88, he is definitely not not going "gentle into that good night" One only wishes that his youth had included a bit of arithmetic..
I ddn't know that !! You have to acknowledge the work Vincent Gray has been doing, poring over pre-publication FAQs on AR4 and such. At age 88, he is definitely not not going "gentle into that good night" One only wishes that his youth had included a bit of arithmetic..
Several commenters point out the problem with Climate Realist's refutation of climate science --
i.e. // It assumes that the earth can be considered to be flat, that the sun shines all day and all night with equal intensity, //
There is no "flat earth" presumption. The solar constant is quadruple the value shown for solar input. The quantity shown in the standard global mean balance calculation you see in the two figures is an average over time and space.
&
Look up solar radiation in watts per square meter and you find it's about 1369 (wikipedia or several other websites). However as you point out that is only during the day, and only at midday when the sun is overhead... Short story, it's easy enough to show that the average number over the whole earth is 1/4 of 1369 (think of geometry and surface area of a sphere compared to a circle). So you end up with the 342 shown in their figure
ETC
But good enough to foo the Daily Mail AND ...
Well thaey can't tell me what the worlds mean temp will be next month, but they KNOW the worlds temp in 100 yrs.
This is not a surprise. Did the warmests predict the snowstorms this week to the east and west of me?
Nope,
The sun is never overhead if you are north of the tropic of cancer or south of the tropic of capricorn.
My Dizzy but you do make an effort to be on the wrong side of every issue.
We all knew it would come to this.
Right now the Turtle that rides space (Hindu) is pissed off with his 4 elephants to hold the World is being short shifted.
// My Dizzy but you do make an effort to be on the wrong side //
I try, but you seem to get there first.
It's not clear if your research extended to clicking through to the urquelle of this revelation.
Vincent Gray is a dotty climatecrank from down under. A fellow New Zealander comments
// Vincent’s great revelation? That climate scientists think the earth’s flat.
He starts with a schematic of the earth’s energy budget, [...], commenting:
"The earth is now thoroughly flattened, as if it had been run over by a cosmic steamroller. [...] It ought to be obvious. The earth does actually rotate. The sun does not shine at night. The temperature is not constant. Every part of the earth has a different energy input from its output."
Unfortunately for Vincent, climate science has noticed that we’re standing on a planet that’s evolving and revolving at nine hundred miles an hour, that’s orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it’s reckoned, a sun that is the source of all our power.
And that’s reflected in the calculations. But let’s not let that little truth get in the way of a good story. //
To add a note from my own research --
Climate Scientists think the Sun is flat too. They only consider radiation from one direction, when every schoolboy knows that the sun radiates in all directions. Someone ought to tell Vincent Gray.
Dizzy, AGW is junk science married to communism.
I ddn't know that !!
You have to acknowledge the work Vincent Gray has been doing, poring over pre-publication FAQs on AR4 and such.
At age 88, he is definitely not not going "gentle into that good night"
One only wishes that his youth had included a bit of arithmetic..
I ddn't know that !!
You have to acknowledge the work Vincent Gray has been doing, poring over pre-publication FAQs on AR4 and such.
At age 88, he is definitely not not going "gentle into that good night"
One only wishes that his youth had included a bit of arithmetic..
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