Understanding the dynamics of a 'crime of honour'
With the Shafia ruling came cries that "Honour Killings" have nothing to do with Islam. So why then are so many demanding specialized Islamic social services to counter honour murder?
“Mainstream organizations do not have the clinical skills to make the determination of whether an honour killing will take place or not. Often … nobody believes this kind of tragedy can take place.”
I doubt that lack of belief is the cause or a cultural disconnect that bars communication, it was political correctness and cultural relativism that helped kill the Shafia women.
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Related: Convicted Mass Murderer Papa (Mohammad) Shafia Played the Islam Card--and Lost
Plus...So if Marc Lepine had lived to stand trial…
specialized Islamic social services .. would help hide the truth...makeing it there solution to the problem.
laws inside our laws of protection..
this should be denied, as its more creeping sharia..
The leftists and islamists are certainly brazen enough to demand taxpayers fund even more elaborate and costly additions to those monumental sewers of political correctness called social services. Maybe even the police services could grab their "fair sharia" of the action.
Craven politicians of all stripes will be quick to jump on this vote buying bandwagon.
Crap I read at WC. ( it is important-- this mentality exists elsewhere! ):
QUOTEAnd, when a culture (ANY culture it seems) is stressed, oppressed, defeated or marginalisaed, a "dark side" more frequently shows itself… the source of the rage that gets expressed is the source of the stress, the oppressor or the marginaliser (usually the member of members of a more powerful culture).
To pick on and punish individual perpetrators is almost always to pick on and punish victims (broken, vulnerable, disturbed people) without addressing the source of the flare up. Prison is an insane response to an insane act.
I haven't heard ANY expressions of curiosity, sympathy or compassion for the Shafia family members who are now "safely" banged up in jail where they "deserve" to be. Well, bravo for the virtuous society that dealt them a pretty nasty hand, They broke trying hold what they knew together (against impossible odds) and failing miserably in their own sight. They do not seem to have available to them the recourse of public remorse. They have been relentlessly vilified, mocked and demeaned by the media. And we have been egged-on to hold them in utter odium. We should remember that crap has a way of stiicking to the hand that throws it.
Did I read that correctly they're referring to Papa Murderer et al as victims?
Sheema Khan calls the Shafia trial "an Ecole Polytechnique moment" for Canadian Muslims: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/shafia-trial-a-wake-up-call-for-canadian-muslims/article2319148/
Wishful thinking on her part, I'd say. Without perhps realizing it, she has tipped her hand that she's hoping that the Islamic component of these crimes will be overlooked (as it was in the Montreal murders).
Did readers notice how often the CBC, and others, prefaced the term "honour killing" with the words "so-called" -- a sneer term which served to distance the newsreader from the meaning of the words "honour killing"? For the CBC, the phrase "so-called honour killing" became the obligatory way of using the term.
Yet the prosecutors used the words "honour killing" in their arguments against the defendants, since the term is very fact-based.
slightly off topic: I guess readers are happy with the verdict. I am. I watched the CBC and CTV national news twice, just to enjoy the outcome. I telling blow against the politically correct multiculturalists out there. A CBC news reporter called the trial a "clash of cultures", which it certainly was. The murders and trial run counter to the CBC's "Mosque on the Prairie" TV show.
Yes. Not everyone agreed with him. I didn't read the whole thread....this is not Mr Hist Prof but another very preachy guy, always talking about how bad the West is.
Yes I have noticed that most of the MSM is guilty of the same lame effort to sanitize reality.
Good catch Scaramouche.
Then he should send his wife and daughter to live in the Afghan tribal regions.
It is like the Communist fellow travellers of old. They never actually wanted to LIVE in a Communist country. The mentality is very similar.
Here's Sheema Khan advocating for sharia law:
http://www.caircan.ca/oped_more.php?id=1973_0_10_0_C
Perhaps they should ALL go and live there!
It’s futile, and dishonest, to talk about the causes or reformation of honour killings without addressing its poor cousins, blasphemy and apostasy. They are all fundamentally incorporated into the Islamic notion that abandoning Islamic concepts is a crime. There are written laws in Sharia that address all three of these Islamic violations, and to pretend that it is cultural, or there is any other reason other than Islamic law, is just for non-Muslims consumption. Placating the dhimmi stooges.
Still absolutely no mention of the remaining children in foster care. None. It's like they don't exist. Sigh. I see the papers and comments are scrambling to separate the crime from the religion, the family wasn't that religious, he used to mock imams, I never saw them at the mosques etc, etc. Another one is the femicide argument. Of course it's femicide, virtually all honour killing is femicide. It seems to me that everyone is scrambling to position themselves in the proper moral light, to be the spokes person for this issue or that just like rats leaving a sinking ship they're hanging on to any bit of flotation that comes their way. Nobody is talking about the murdered women and nobody is talking about the surviving children. Self serving hypocrites all of them.
Like the dog who didn't bark, the silence from the usual suspects is deafening. Rabble has absolutely no news about the Shafia verdict and Islam-apologetic blogs like Dawggy's apparently haven't figured out the proper spin to put on the whole affair (troublesome points include the fact that these people were rich and obviously not "victims of colonialism"), so are hoping the whole thing blows away and their silence won't be noticed. As well, after insisting that use of the term "Muslim" is a racial "signifier" (see "Islamophobia", etc.), they are now stuck with trying to pretend that this has nothing to with either religion or race... or, heaven forbid, "honour".
I am not surprised.
Too many useful idiots it seems.
"Prison is an insane response to an insane act" ... just exactly what does this "preachy guy at WC" suggest be alternatively be done with all the insane acts of phsyco/sociopath, serial killers out there if not convict them and put them in prison? There sure are a whole lot of countries with vastly different cultures on the globe practising the "honour murder" form of justice but all seem to have Islam in common. I also noticed that Sun News said there had been to date 12 honour killings in Canada not counting this Shafia case. This stat is the "honour killings" that are known about or have been designated as such by the courts. I believe the figure would be somewhat higher if all the cases were known about or correctly designated as such instead of slipping under the radar.
According to The Global Gender Gap Report 2011: Rankings and Scores 22 out of the worst 31 countries that oppress women and girls the most are Muslim countries.
In other words, 67.7% of the worst oppressors of women and girls are Muslim countries.
But Muslims make up 23% of the world population.
There are only 49 Muslim-majority countries out of 231 countries, which makes 21%.
So, Muslim countries are WAY OVER-REPRESENTED among the perpetrators of opression against women.
By population, Muslim countries are over-represented as perpetrators by a factor of THREE.
Now, how can anyone go on saying that Islam has nothing to do with this?
Look at the list below of countries of the 31 worst countries for women in the world.
Observe how they vary greatly in "tribal culture" (by gegraphic location) and wealth (many are oil-rich countries).
What else is there to say?
Yemen Muslim majority, Middle East
Chad Muslim majority, Africa
Pakistan Muslim majority, Central Asia
Mali Muslim majority, Africa
Saudi Arabia, Muslim majority Middle East
Cote D'ivoire, 35-45% Muslim Africa
Morocco Muslim majority, North Africa
Benin 24% Muslim, Africa
Oman Muslim majority, Middle East
Nepal
Iran Muslim Majority, Central Asia
Syria Muslim Majority, Middle East
Egypt Muslim Majority, Middle East
Turkey Muslim majority, Middle East
Algeria Muslim majority, Middle East
Nigeria Muslim majority (51%), Africa
Cameroon 20% Muslim, Africa
Lebanon Muslim majority, Middle East
Jordan Muslim majority, Middle East
Ethiopia 34% Muslim, Africa
Burkina Faso 50% Muslim, Africa
Mauritania Muslim majority, North Africa
India 14% Muslim, South East Asian
Guatemala
Qatar Muslim majority, Middle East
Bahrain Muslim majority, Middle East
Fiji
Tunisia Muslim majority, North Africa
Korean Rep
Zambia
Kuwuait Muslim majority, Middle East
Thank you Loren, I will look that study up.
"Mark Lepine"? His real name was Gamil Gharbi. His old man was a woman-hater from Algeria.
Yes he was.
Actually, since you wrote this, Dr. Canine has come up with a post about the Shafia case... I guess the silence has been too deafening. It contains the usual mealy-mouthed excuses about having "nothing to do with Islam", but I guess even the left this time can't complain that the police or the courts were somehow biased... as they do every time a terrorist is caught. Let's just hope that the murder of these four women will finally open Canadian eyes to the horrors of what Islam represents.
It will open the eyes of normal people if it hasn't already, as for the despicable apologists, they will rot in hell;)
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